CHEATERS!!!

Because I know that motor had a good power band.. I dont know with certainty about the others.

thanks. did you say that the 21 pounds per horsepower rule is gone?

All Minis have to weigh a minimum of 2450 LBS

so horsepower is what you need to have.

what about the setup of a mini stock? is it about horsepower and setup like suspension or no? or is it just plain out how fast your car is

given the choice between handling and handling and horsepower, one should always take both. The cars aren't supposed to have much in the way of set-up, (stock suspension, stock shocks, same tire size) leaves you with tire pressure and toe in or out. Rear wheel drives get camber, but that's not much. I know that new struts would be a help but not much can be changed unless your spending money and disguising these parts (you can buy them like this). I know that some guys play around with shifting or adding wt especially in the crx's. There are a lot of places to hide wt in a ministock. The prelude and integra handling package is tough to beat. Something else that I have heard but never tried are bigger fuel injectors with a bigger pressure pump.

You need both.. The horsepower for the prelude is less than the integra's but i believe the prelude is faster. If you over build a car it may have a ton of HP but it will be difficult getting the power to the floor.. What good is slipping your tires down the straights. I wouldn't go out and buy newer springs.. I think I like my springs soft. You can do a lot with tire pressure.. as well as your toe. I would try to center all of my weight as best as possible. You can adjust your distributor for optimal performance... Remove some smog stuff... You definitely need a fast car.. A prelude was honda's sports car at the time.. Your not gonna have as good a chance at winning with an accord which was made for family comfort, not hugging twisty rodes. I wouldn't bother with bigger injectors... one your crossing lines.. two unless you remap your computer I dont think you would be at any advantage because the computer is still telling the injectors stock codes.. About different tire sizes... if you wanted to do some good research... take a tape measure to the pepboy tire department and measure around 3 different brands of 205/60/14's. They are all different but stamped the same tire size. BTW I dont do this, but its a good idea.

Mike

well i know u guys are talkin about honda's and such. but i was wondering is there anything i can do to pull more power out of my escort, i know that below all the smog bullshit and other equipment that doesnt need to be there i have some power maybe a mid running car. if anyone has any ideas hit me up please need help would like to run before the dirt track shoot out. any ideas welcome.

There are several things you can do.... but you'd hinder your fuel milage

I think most top runners just simply keep there foot to the floor for 20 laps. Easier said than done.

ya well keeping my foot to the floor in a damn escort is like the flenstons peddle car lol. ur pushin and it aint goin lol.

if i can get any help with getting more power please let me know not really worried about fuel cause i have a big enough fuel sell just need more power i want to be able to compet. but without running a prelude. it would be nice to see like a escort or a truck or something besides a honda or acura in the winners circle. id like to be that person lol.

so any advice would help please let me no thanks.

an escort just cannot keep up with the Honda's. The Honda have a better gear ratio, more torque, more horse power.

Pretty obvious that the cars to beat in the mini stock class are Honda Motor Corp. If you want to be near the front of the pack thats what I would run if I was racing. I think most people will tell you the same thing.

the last time i watched the 82 car which is a celica...he was running 4th an coming out of 2 hes was door to door with the leader and the leader door slammed him going into 3 so dont say a honda is the way to go...wow point and go is not racing...sorry but that is just my opinion

The Escort suffers from lack of horsepower, its top heavy and not very wide. It doesn't have the near the handling characteristics of the Hondas. You can spend $2000.00 to make it faster. Put in a new motor that is balanced and with better parts, but you won't gain the 40 horsepower that you need without making the motor really illegal. (hondas have 135 - 150 hp, the best an escort will do is 110 The balance in the car is tougher to gain. I believe the Hondas are lower, wider and better balanced as an initial platform. The only way to gain this is by shifting wt around. Usually you have to add some. The CRX's were balanced with wt in the rear. You might try this in the escort. You might consider Escort GT parts for suspension pieces. (probably an illegal swap, but cheaper than changing cars) also try stiffening up the frame of the car with roll bar tubing up front and in the back connected to the main roll cage and frame.
My best advice is to get a prelude. The initial expense is more, but the overall expense is less to be competitive.

Wow... good thread Newman.......... you just put the word cheaters in the title and it goes forever!

pilatt4 wrote:

Your not gonna have as good a chance at winning with an accord which was made for family comfort, not hugging twisty rodes.

Mike

I Beg To Differ........................

PMS RACING wrote:

pilatt4 wrote:

Your not gonna have as good a chance at winning with an accord which was made for family comfort, not hugging twisty rodes.

Mike

I Beg To Differ........................

Keep begging. When have you ever seen an accord win a main at Bakersfield?

The escort was used in Rally racing in Europe for years. They have a lot of potential. ( I just typed a huge piece but some how it didn't make it on the board). We built one a few years back and my grandpa Barney still has it for sale.. David Childress drove it one for fun during a heat and it was fast, and I believe Billy Jr. drove it this year and finished 2nd in his heat.. They can be fast cars. We built an 88GT and rebuilt the old motor. It is fast. It came with a stock header. which is cool. I believe they were about 110 HP. The 84-87 Preludes were only 110 hp and they win races. I believe escort could totally be a top 5 car. If something came up with my car and i couldnt race it I would try to prove it. If some one wants a fast race ready escort call Barney at 871-0996 I think he is asking $1200 or so..

Mike.

well lets put it this way. i run honda's and such at famosa i have 94 honda civic hx jdm swap. the car has a ls block with a vtec head duel cams. full bottled and everything. i just dont want to run a honda anymore. u know. id like to turn it into a dirt car but i have to much money and time into the car. to just swap it over plus the cage work that is already done is bogis for dirt racing lol. but.



along wit the fact that escorts do have power this car has ran out at the track before that i have. it acutally ran this year before the guy that used to run it got read ended by a PRELUDE lol..... so and for the escort that is for sale i have seen it many times i live in oildale i acutally pass it every morning for work. on roberts lane lol but the thing is i picked this car i have now up for 300 dollars think that is a steal.

pilatt4 wrote:

PMS RACING wrote:

pilatt4 wrote:

Your not gonna have as good a chance at winning with an accord which was made for family comfort, not hugging twisty rodes.

Mike

I Beg To Differ........................

Keep begging. When have you ever seen an accord win a main at Bakersfield?

I beleave an accord placed 2nd in the main last weekend.... looked pretty fast to me

What happened to your car Mike.... looked like something broke on your front end - did ya get-r-fixed for
bakersfield saturday night?

PMS RACING wrote:

pilatt4 wrote:

PMS RACING wrote:

pilatt4 wrote:

Your not gonna have as good a chance at winning with an accord which was made for family comfort, not hugging twisty rodes.

Mike

I Beg To Differ........................

Keep begging. When have you ever seen an accord win a main at Bakersfield?

I beleave an accord placed 2nd in the main last weekend.... looked pretty fast to me

Ya!! That thing was hauling ass.

I haven't been following who has been winning really closely this year... I stand corrected. Not to mention the guy who was driving berger's old 00 Accord was fast too. It's possible to win in one but why not build a prelude for the same costs. PMS, I broke a tie rod, and an axle and much of the suspension assembly. I don't know what broke first. When I spun the wheel jerked outta my hands hard enough to make my shoulder sore for a couple of days. OH well it was a fun night. 4h raced me nice and clean, I could hear him coming on strong. I'll be back in 2 weeks for the next race.

PMS RACING wrote:

Wow... good thread Newman.......... you just put the word cheaters in the title and it goes forever!

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i didnt think it would go for seven pages but i guess everyone thinks the mini stock class is cheating??